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Title: MayTag not draining
Post by: redtail on January 06, 2009, 09:50:47 AM
The washing machine seem to be working through the cycles, but it not draining. Here what I do know. The motor is running, the pump is spinning. I try it by hand, and see the belt turning the pump. In the spin cycle it will not drain the water. Does not pump out at the end of the washing cycle. . Looking for suggestion? Question: pump is alway going in counter-clockwise motion.

Thanks

Model A612 series 02
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: Repair-man on January 06, 2009, 07:09:57 PM
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Question: pump is alway going in counter-clockwise motion.


The motor turns one way to wash, the other to drain and spin. See the Dependable Care manual.
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: jayman73 on January 06, 2009, 07:17:05 PM
The washing machine seem to be working through the cycles, but it not draining. Here what I do know. The motor is running, the pump is spinning. I try it by hand, and see the belt turning the pump. In the spin cycle it will not drain the water. Does not pump out at the end of the washing cycle. . Looking for suggestion? Question: pump is alway going in counter-clockwise motion.

Thanks
any missing socks lol look for kinks or restrictions hoses does it drain at all?
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: redtail on January 06, 2009, 09:03:08 PM
Thanks for the reply. Have check both hoses for kinks and they are fine. Pull off hoses to make sure nothing clogging in the hoses. As I been look at it tonight, the motor should reverse is spin in order to pump out the water. If my idea is correct, apparently the motor never reversing. I guess that the switch (control panel) is not sending the correct signal to the motor. Is their way test the motor and the switch?

Thanks
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: Repair-man on January 06, 2009, 09:29:12 PM
Save yourself some serious time here and go look up a new timer (http://www.appliancepartspros.com/partsearch/model.aspx?model_id=28947) for your machine. Lord knows after 30 years it could use one :)
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: JWWebster on January 07, 2009, 09:39:55 AM
the pump belt could be broke or the pump is locked up.
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: Repair-man on January 07, 2009, 10:29:56 AM
Not hardly...

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Here what I do know. The motor is running, the pump is spinning. I try it by hand, and see the belt turning the pump.

Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: JWWebster on January 07, 2009, 02:01:20 PM
You could have a bad check switch
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: jumptrout51 on January 07, 2009, 02:52:43 PM
There is a siphon break on this machine. Your internal and external drain hoses connect to it in the rear right corner facing from the front of the machine.
I have found several that will have lint trapped in there preventing the machine from draining.
Remove the screws from the break and check for a lint blockage.
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: redtail on January 07, 2009, 06:33:43 PM
There is a siphon break on this machine.

I will check that. I re-ask the question does the motor spin in different way for pumping out water, and is their way to test it?

Thanks
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: jumptrout51 on January 07, 2009, 06:43:53 PM
The motor reverses rotation for pump out. I am reluctant to tell you how "I" test it for proper rotation.
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: redtail on January 07, 2009, 07:22:40 PM
To add more information to this problem. I check all the hoses from end to end and they are clear. Also, what I did put my finger in the pump and turn by hand an feel the pump blades turning. Discover that I could hold the blades from turning with my finger. I am guessing that I might have two problems. One that motor not reversing itself, and two the pump shaft could be broken.

Does anyone know if I can switch wires on the timer to cause the motor to reverse itself. I guessing with the wires switch and that works, I have problem in the timer panel. As far as the pump not sure if it is engage all the time or not.

Thanks
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: jumptrout51 on January 07, 2009, 07:27:14 PM
As Repair-man said..."new timer".
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: redtail on January 07, 2009, 09:35:00 PM
Also, what I did put my finger in the pump and turn by hand an feel the pump blades turning. Discover that I could hold the blades from turning with my finger.

  The shaft will turn as I hold blades with my fingers and by turn it by hand.
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: theoldstoveguy on January 07, 2009, 10:44:10 PM
Blades are stationary & pulley & shaft will turn means pump is bad. Does the tub spin in drain or does it aggitate? If it spins then all you need is the pump.It will spin even if it does not drain.
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: redtail on January 08, 2009, 07:58:43 AM
Hi,

The washing machine go through all it cycles correctly, but the motor never changes direction to pump out. I can see the pump turning. I don't know if the pump engages when it in the mode of pumping out the water. hopefully I saying this correctly.
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: theoldstoveguy on January 08, 2009, 08:59:50 AM
Does the tub spin when it is the spin section on the timer? Or does it aggitate(back& forth)
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: JWWebster on January 08, 2009, 09:05:01 AM
bad timer
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: redtail on January 08, 2009, 11:46:28 AM

Hi again everyone,

I know the timer is bad, I getting replacement today. I was trying to determed if the pump might be bad. It is hard to believe that both components would go bad at the same time.

Thanks
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: redtail on January 08, 2009, 08:46:31 PM
Hi

Just let everyone know, I replace the timer "did not" fix the problem. Motor is still spinning one way. Money down the tubes. Motor about 3-4 year old. Would the external starter determed which the motor spins?

Thanks
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: theoldstoveguy on January 08, 2009, 09:02:03 PM
Back to basics, does the TUB SPIN when in the SPIN section of the timer? You can see the transmission spin when the front is off. If that does SPIN and when you held the impeller (FINS) in the pump and turned  the shaft & it turned but impeller did NOT, you need a pump. That is the easiest way to check it. The machine reverses to drain & spin & can be seen with the front off & the transmission spinning. I don't pay attention to the rotation of the pump(it will turn same direction as the transmission) In aggitation it the transmission wil be staitonary,spin it reverses & transmission will rotate.
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: JWWebster on January 08, 2009, 09:11:31 PM
bad check switch?
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: theoldstoveguy on January 08, 2009, 09:19:28 PM
If the check switch were bad the fuse would blow & no power at all to the motor. The statement was it RAN but would not drain. I think it is a bad pump.
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: redtail on January 08, 2009, 09:37:09 PM
Back to basics, does the TUB SPIN when in the SPIN section of the timer? You can see the transmission spin when the front is off. If that does SPIN and when you held the impeller (FINS) in the pump and turned  the shaft & it turned but impeller did NOT, you need a pump. That is the easiest way to check it. The machine reverses to drain & spin & can be seen with the front off & the transmission spinning. I don't pay attention to the rotation of the pump(it will turn same direction as the transmission) In aggitation it the transmission wil be staitonary,spin it reverses & transmission will rotate.

Start off this way, when starting the washer, fill with water, and it go back and forth for the wash part, next it should drain for the rinse, but does not. When it get to the spin cycle the tub is still fill with water.  Tub is spinning counter clockwise, and as well as the motor. I can see motion in the of water flowing counter clockwise also.

Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: redtail on January 08, 2009, 09:40:21 PM
bad check switch?

Not sure where check switch would be?
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: redtail on January 08, 2009, 09:46:42 PM
I know sound like broken recorder, at some point the motor should reverse itself. It has enough wires going to it. On top of the motor their is little box with wire coming for the timer, and wires come out the motor it. As guess earlier it the start for the motor?
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: theoldstoveguy on January 08, 2009, 09:52:28 PM
So is TRANSMISSION turning in the spin mode?  I have done MAYTAG RED CARPET service for 25 years,If you give me the answer to that I can probably tell you what is wrong.
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: redtail on January 08, 2009, 10:01:24 PM
So is TRANSMISSION turning in the spin mode?  I have done MAYTAG RED CARPET service for 25 years,If you give me the answer to that I can probably tell you what is wrong.
Sorry if I am not explaining very  answer your question. Yes, the transmission turn in spin mode.
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: JWWebster on January 08, 2009, 10:02:14 PM
well you know the motor reverses to pump out the water.
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: JWWebster on January 08, 2009, 10:05:47 PM
If the timer did not fix the problem then the motor is bad. Replace the motor Look at it like this> you have a better washer than you can buy now so spend the money on a motor.
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: theoldstoveguy on January 08, 2009, 10:06:19 PM
Bad pump. when it is empty take the hose off the top of the pump,while holding the impeller (fins) stationary reach under the washer & turn the pulley. If the pulley turns & the fins don't, bad pump. Sometimes we look for the complicated answer because it can't be simple!
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: JWWebster on January 08, 2009, 10:08:43 PM
If you replace all the major players on this washer you will have a better washer than anything on today's market.
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: theoldstoveguy on January 08, 2009, 10:11:05 PM
Please ck what I said to do before spending any more parts. This will not cost you anything!
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: redtail on January 08, 2009, 10:17:49 PM
If you replace all the major players on this washer you will have a better washer than anything on today's market.
as long as the tranmission does't go out.

So at this point I should replace the motor and the pump. I will go and price the motor and pump tomorrow. If I have enough left I will buy them both.

 Question, the box mount on top of the motor with all the wires going to it what does it do exactly?

Thanks
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: JWWebster on January 08, 2009, 10:25:14 PM
that is a drip shield
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: theoldstoveguy on January 08, 2009, 10:27:36 PM
CHECK THE PUMP BEFORE SPENDING ANY MORE MONEY,PLEASE.
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: whirlpooltech on January 08, 2009, 10:40:04 PM
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Start off this way, when starting the washer, fill with water, and it go back and forth for the wash part, next it should drain for the rinse, but does not. When it get to the spin cycle the tub is still fill with water.  Tub is spinning counter clockwise, and as well as the motor. I can see motion in the of water flowing counter clockwise also.

If the two pump hoses are not plugged, collapsed or kinked then replace the water pump.
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: JWWebster on January 08, 2009, 11:11:30 PM
202203 pump I have one in stock in my shop. if that is it I will give it to you
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: redtail on January 08, 2009, 11:25:48 PM
Bad pump. when it is empty take the hose off the top of the pump,while holding the impeller (fins) stationary reach under the washer & turn the pulley. If the pulley turns & the fins don't, bad pump. Sometimes we look for the complicated answer because it can't be simple!

I try what you suggested. I held the impeller (fins), and turn the pulley/shaft. The impeller (fins) did not move. If I understand you correctly, the pump then bad. I see if I can't find one in town, but I still price what motor cost just in case.
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: redtail on January 08, 2009, 11:27:16 PM
that is a drip shield

Not refer to the drop shield, I have already remove that so I could see the motor.

Thanks
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: redtail on January 08, 2009, 11:29:59 PM
202203 pump I have one in stock in my shop. if that is it I will give it to you

couldn't take gift, but thank you very much for offering.
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: theoldstoveguy on January 09, 2009, 08:56:51 AM
Glad you got it before buying a $100.00+ motor, Keep that machine as long as you can, they are far superior to any machine made today.
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: redtail on January 09, 2009, 11:04:55 PM
Hello everyone,

Well I thought I give ending to problem. Just got done replacing the pump, and I findly see water coming out of the hose. Had worry at first with all the air in the line. Quick question what is that small screw in the side of pump?

So I would like thank everyone for pitching with advice, and solution to my problem. Now on to dishwasher which is having some issue.

Thanks again..
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: JWWebster on January 09, 2009, 11:11:21 PM
Thats the flow screw. For tweaking the output
Title: Re: MayTag not draining
Post by: JWWebster on January 09, 2009, 11:12:48 PM
:D