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connecting appliance motor to house current for shop use
« on: August 21, 2010, 09:36:34 PM »
I would really like help on connecting this Kenmore ½ hp washing machine motor direct to house current using a “cheater cord”: P#3349644, model # E113 C68PXDBZ-3290. The motor switch connection colors are V, W-BK, BU, Y, G, W, OR, R.
Where can one go to find this type of info in the future?
Thanks, Dave


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Re: connecting appliance motor to house current for shop use
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2010, 02:51:39 PM »
WHITE is usually Neutral (but could be L1)
W-BK is the thermally protected output to other devices
OR is Low Speed Run Winding (will start on HIGH SPEED)
BU is High Speed Run Winding

R and Y (with Capacitor in series with either one) is the Start Winding,
that, depending on which way they are connected to power,
will determine the MOTOR DIRECTION.

« Last Edit: August 24, 2010, 02:56:05 PM by RegUS_PatOff »
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Re: connecting appliance motor to house current for shop use
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2010, 11:49:27 PM »
Thanks so much for taking the time to explain this wiring question to me.

Unfortunately my experience with wiring doesn't let me understand your last paragraph.
if you could point out where the capacitor wires go on low speed on either to the motor or the switch connection (I've specified the colors on the switch connection but i can just go to the motor wires as well) that would really simplify it.

the motor does run fine using the instructions I found elsewhere but I believe the motor should not need to have the 'starter' wires removed once running if connected properly:

"I figured it out. The White and the Blue wires are for the high speed. The Violet (purple) and the White/Black wires are for the low speed. However, it won't work if you just put a hot and ground on the White and Blue wires. You have to use the "starter". At the same time you put power on the White and Blue wires, you must also hook up the Yellow and Black wires. The Yellow and Black wires go the the motors "starter". What this does is get the motor turning. Once the motor is turning, the power to the White and Blue wires will contine to keep it turning. Disconnect the Yellow and Black wires 5 seconds after you applied power to both circuits. I wired the Yellow and Black wires to one plug, and the White and Blue wires to another plug. You can also wire them to seperate switches (which I will do eventually). It works great."
D.N. July 2007

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Re: connecting appliance motor to house current for shop use
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2010, 03:53:10 AM »
No need to disconnect the Start Winding Wires after it's started.
That's the job of the Motor's built-in INTERNAL Centrifugal Switch  :)

The Motor's Start direction is determined by which way you connect the Yellow and Red Start Winding Wires.
Those can be permanantly tied to the Run Wire connections, depending on which direction you want the Motor to Start.

White and White/Black are the essentially the same point, but usually, one side of Power is applied to the White Wire (input), and IF there's any external device, lights, ect.. that you want to have turned OFF, IF the Motor turns OFF due to Thermal Overload, you can have that device powered by the White/Black (output).

The Start Capacitor is wired in series with the Start Winding.
As shown in the Diagram, one Start connection would be Yellow,
and the other Start connection would be on the left side of the Capacitor,
and other side of Capacitor connecting to the Red Motor Winding.
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Re: connecting appliance motor to house current for shop use
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2010, 06:02:09 AM »
To run this motor on the bench, use the Bu and Wh terminals.
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Re: connecting appliance motor to house current for shop use
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2010, 07:07:45 AM »
Are you testing the motor or using it for some other application?
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Re: connecting appliance motor to house current for shop use
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2010, 01:19:22 PM »
I will try to recap the connections on this motor as if one has no knowledge (as I don’t, and I suppose many of the 274 people who have read this so far don’t either) of what a motor ‘start or run windings' are & what wiring diagrams mean, etc; then all you have are wire colors to go by.
With Wiring harness:
House White to white and capacitor.
House Black to Blue or Org and capacitor.
Functions:
Orange = Slow
Blue =Fast
Reverse capacitor wires to change direction
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WITHOUT WIRING HARNESS, USING WIRE COLORS ON THE HARNESS MOTOR SIDE CONNECTION:
Connect  1 capacitor wire to Right Hand slot. Don't hook house current to this wire.
Connect Red to other capacitor wire or connection.
Org to 3rd slot from RH (2nd slot is empty)
Blue to Blue
White to White
Yell to Yell
Then hook the house current to the colors as I specified when you have the wiring harness. The capacitor will use Red and Yellow.

Dave


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Re: connecting appliance motor to house current for shop use
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2010, 01:53:28 PM »
This motor will be used for shop service like grinding, polishing, & powering equipment.
I will make an enclosure to keep water & debris out of the windings & connections.

If anyone has found a simple way to cover these open motors I'd appreciate hearing about that too.

Thanks!  Dave

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Re: connecting appliance motor to house current for shop use
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2010, 01:53:50 PM »
ONE DIRECTION:

House White:    to White and to Yellow

House Black:     one side of Capacitor ... other side of Capacitor goes to RED
House Black:     also to either Orange (slow) OR to Blue (fast)

OR
OPOSITE DIRECTION:

House White:    to White and one side of Capacitor ... other side of Capacitor goes to RED

House Black:     to Yellow
House Black:     also to either Orange (slow) OR to Blue (fast)


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Re: connecting appliance motor to house current for shop use
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2010, 10:14:11 PM »
Id think twice before covering these motors since they need to be open to be able to cool properly.

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Re: connecting appliance motor to house current for shop use
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2010, 01:00:20 AM »
I have a bench grinder made out of a old maytag motor, i'll have to post pics.
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Re: connecting appliance motor to house current for shop use
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2012, 07:11:30 PM »
Hopefully it's OK if I resurrect this topic?

I've got one of these motors and was able to get it going using RegUS_PatOff's instructions. The first wiring he listed will turn clockwise.

I am hoping to install this motor in an old lathe, and had a couple of questions:

1. The motor jumps quite a bit at startup. Can I replace the start capacitor with a lower-rated one, and would this reduce that problem? Alternatively, would it hurt the motor to wire it without the cap and "bump start" it?

2. The motor is quite unwieldy.  Is there a standard means of mounting motors like this when repurposing? I was thinking I could basically build a wooden "C" around it to hold it down, but I wondered if there is some better way. I want to attach it to a wooden lathe stand.

Thanks,
Sam 

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Re: connecting appliance motor to house current for shop use
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2012, 09:07:35 PM »
1. The motor jumps quite a bit at startup. Can I replace the start capacitor with a lower-rated one
2. The motor is quite unwieldy. 
1) Jumps becasue of the high motor torque. Capacitor may not be needed at all, but still would have high torque.
2) need to mount motor adequately, to eliminate "jumping"
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Re: connecting appliance motor to house current for shop use
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2014, 03:09:19 PM »
Maybe this will help--see the attached file / drawing for E113 Motor Wiring with a simplified drawing

 

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