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Offline jeddi

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kenmore 80 series shocking
« on: July 30, 2009, 09:55:13 PM »
i have a kenmore 80 series top loader.  lately i have been getting shocked when i touch the washer and dryer.  i checked voltage from the washer frame to ground, and i get 123v.  i have checked the gfi that the washer is plugged into, and it is working properly.  any help on this would be appreciated.

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Re: kenmore 80 series shocking
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2009, 10:01:26 PM »
Washer Frame should be connected to ground through the Green Wire of the Power Cord.

even if it wasn't grounded, the GFI would trip itself if the current through L1 (hot) doesn't equal the power through the Neutral return (it went somewhere else... through you)

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Re: kenmore 80 series shocking
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2009, 04:15:57 PM »
ok, after taking the entire machine apart and pulling all the grounds and sanding them/cleaning them.  i am still getting 120vac from the back metal to ground.  to make things interesting, when i touch ground on the machine and touch the black rubber hose that brings water to the machine i get 120vac.  the hoses are not connected, but i assume that the cold water ground has something to do with it.  i found no loose wires, nor were they frayed.  i have ground at all points and tested each to the ground lug. i disconnected the plug wire just inside the cover and tested it.  i get voltage from the ground to the black hose.  i also get power at the black wire.  other than some black candles and some chalk to have a seance, any ideas?

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Re: kenmore 80 series shocking
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2009, 04:53:06 PM »
the green ground inside your outlet must be bad (disconnected)
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Re: kenmore 80 series shocking
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2009, 06:09:30 PM »
If you are reading power from metal to a rubber hose you have a really bad problem or a really bad VOM.
If you have an exposed metal cold water pipe, run a ground wire to the pipe from the machine and re-check your voltage.
If you still have a problem contact your utility company.
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Re: kenmore 80 series shocking
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2009, 06:48:45 PM »
no problem with the dvom, its a fluke and well they don't fluke.  i have a cold water ground, when i had my service upgraded to a 200amp the brought the house up to code.  the pipes that the washer hoses are connected to are pvc, and i don't get shocked with any other faucet in the house.  i used a gfi tester and the plug is working properly.  i'm thinking of running a ground to the dryer that sits next to it, since i'm getting shocked by touching it anyway, but i don't like it.  there has to be a reason why this is happening and i don't really want to band-aid it.  i touched metal all over the place and to the ground prong on the plug.  good tone and less than 1 ohm resistance.  i traced the entire harness and found no fault or rubbed wires.  i have disconnected every switch and rechecked and i still get voltage from metal to ground.  it only happens with the switch on, the machine works perfectly.  no other problems.

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Re: kenmore 80 series shocking
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2009, 07:08:31 PM »
with the washer plugged into the wall,
check voltage (on the un-used recepticle)
from the ground pin (round) of the outlet to each of the flat pins,

there should be voltage from the smaller flat pin (hot) to ground (round)

and there should be voltage from the smaller flat pin (hot) to the larger flat pin (neutral)

and there should be NO voltage from the larger flat pin (neutral) tp ground (round)
« Last Edit: August 03, 2009, 07:13:20 PM by RegUS_PatOff »
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Re: kenmore 80 series shocking
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2009, 07:12:55 PM »
Look inside your circuit panel for a bare ground touching a hot wire. Also look inside the wall outlet for the same problem. Replace the wall outlet and try again.
Run a extension cord from a different circuit to the washer and do your voltage checks.
« Last Edit: August 03, 2009, 07:15:50 PM by jumptrout51 »
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Re: kenmore 80 series shocking
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2009, 06:14:14 PM »
ok for all of those that are interested, the solution to the problem after i had taken everything apart is that on the gfi, they used the neutral as a ground. being that the house is wired for 2 wire except in certain places, i ran a ground wire from the dryer plug to the gfi ground.  it works perfectly.

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Re: kenmore 80 series shocking
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2009, 06:57:40 PM »
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