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Offline Icehouse

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When will this nonsense stop ?
« on: March 27, 2009, 07:46:21 PM »
Air Conditioning contractor I know tells me that one of his Jr. mechanics decided to go to school at night to advance his knowledge.
Signs a contract for $17,500 for fourteen month program.
Next day he is on the phone asking both his boss and me if we have anything we can donate ? Seems they have plenty for theory, but nothing for shop.  :o
How in gods name can they get away with this. Also for "Electronics Theory" they are given a sheet with 100 resistors in parallel and series and are to calculate them. Not a dam thing on controls.
PS this school has branches up and down the east coast.  :tickedoff:
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Re: When will this nonsense stop ?
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2009, 12:40:16 PM »
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this school has branches up and down the east coast.

Care to let us know the name of the school?
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Re: When will this nonsense stop ?
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2009, 01:48:56 PM »
"Branford Hall"
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Re: When will this nonsense stop ?
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2009, 01:51:28 PM »
This Branford Hall?

http://www.branfordhall-us.com/?source=bhci-google-branford-hall-school-local-match-ct

If not could you post a link to it?

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Re: When will this nonsense stop ?
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2009, 01:55:07 PM »
That's the one.  :tickedoff: :tickedoff:
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Re: When will this nonsense stop ?
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2009, 02:52:03 PM »
Wow, 17,5K for a class.  I think I need to get me a fancy website and a financial aid person to draw the people in.  The class I teach is usually 16 weeks long, and I cover as much theory (big time electrical troubleshooting) as I can. They get lots of homework to read leaving us time to do hands on work in the shop.  I am fortunate that I have access to about 50 machines in my training fleet along with two training kitchens and two training laundry areas so we can simulate how not to damage the customers home.  Plus I have machines that are 15 years old, and stuff right out of the box.  And the cost?  Free.  Students just need to show up, participate, and deal with me.  I am all for making some money, so more power to them.  I just hope the few young people looking at getting into this as a career do look around and not pull out the checkbook after the sales pitch.  I may not be bigtime, but you will know how to fix stuff when I am done with you.  Just my two cents.

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Re: When will this nonsense stop ?
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2009, 03:06:38 PM »
Wow, 17,5K for a class.  I think I need to get me a fancy website and a financial aid person to draw the people in.  The class I teach is usually 16 weeks long, and I cover as much theory (big time electrical troubleshooting) as I can. They get lots of homework to read leaving us time to do hands on work in the shop.  I am fortunate that I have access to about 50 machines in my training fleet along with two training kitchens and two training laundry areas so we can simulate how not to damage the customers home.  Plus I have machines that are 15 years old, and stuff right out of the box.  And the cost?  Free.  Students just need to show up, participate, and deal with me.  I am all for making some money, so more power to them.  I just hope the few young people looking at getting into this as a career do look around and not pull out the checkbook after the sales pitch.  I may not be bigtime, but you will know how to fix stuff when I am done with you.  Just my two cents.

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Re: When will this nonsense stop ?
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2009, 08:17:06 PM »
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Re: When will this nonsense stop ?
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2009, 07:09:00 AM »
This forum is a classroom
Yes it is my friend, and I look forward to add as much information as I can.  :)
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Re: When will this nonsense stop ?
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2009, 07:57:50 PM »
The problem here is that many trade and vocational schools sell themselves as having a fast big money making solution for the younger generation. I have seen 8, 12, 18 month programs that claim they can train you to make lots of money by becoming a professional tradesman in a short time. Note that the emphasis is on making big bucks and getting there in a short time.
Where are the values of hard work and apprenticeship? Now I am not a Mormon, but I think hard work and putting time to do things the best way you can are values lesser seen nowadays because of this prevailing attitude. These schools essentially promote money lust and laziness. The focus should be in creating high caliber professionals with strong knowledge, fine skills, and practical experience, these things take time, and require the dedication of both student and teacher.
How can you become an expert on anything in a year? I guess a very smart person could possibly learn enough in a year to become very competent, but that would require a super sharp teacher and a very aggressive curriculum, and what about hands on practice could you develop the motor skills as fast? The book is one thing the field is a different animal.
It takes time, work and introspection before you become a master of your trade, but once you get there the the big bucks follow as well as other rewards that can not be quantified in money.
The only good greed is the one for knowledge and is only good if we can pass what we learn along.


 

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